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02/05/2007 01:30 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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01:37:03 PM Governor's Council on Disabilities and Special Education: Promising Practices in Autism and Early Intervention Service
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Governor's Council on Disabilities and
Special Education:
Promising Practices in Autism and Early
Intervention Services
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                        February 5, 2007                                                                                        
                           1:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bettye Davis, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
Senator John Cowdery                                                                                                            
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
Overview: Promising Practices in Autism and Early Intervention                                                                  
Service                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Millie Ryan, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Governor's Council on Disabilities                                                                                              
 and Special Education                                                                                                          
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Kathy Allely, Health and Social Services Planner III                                                                            
Governor's Council on Disabilities                                                                                              
 and Special Education                                                                                                          
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BETTYE  DAVIS  called the  Senate  Health,  Education  and                                                             
Social Services  Standing Committee  meeting to order  at 1:31:42                                                             
PM. Present at  the call to order were  Senators Thomas, Cowdery,                                                             
Elton, Dyson, and Chair Davis.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^Governor's council on disabilities and special education                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   ^GOVERNOR'S COUNCIL ON DISABILITIES AND SPECIAL EDUCATION:                                                               
  PROMISING PRACTICES IN AUTISM AND EARLY INTERVENTION SERVICE                                                              
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  DAVIS announced  that  the committee  would  be having  an                                                               
overview from the Governor's Council  on Disabilities and Special                                                               
Education on its Early Intervention  service, presented by Millie                                                               
Ryan, the council's Executive Director,  and Kathy Allely, Health                                                               
and Social Services Planner III for the council.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MILLIE   RYAN,   Executive   Director,  Governor's   Council   on                                                               
Disabilities and  Special Education,  explained that  the council                                                               
fulfills several  roles: advising the state  government on issues                                                               
pertaining to  developmental disabilities and  special education,                                                               
streamlining and increasing the  capacity of disability services,                                                               
and  advocating  for  change  in   policies  pertaining  to  such                                                               
services.  The  board is also a beneficiary of  the Alaska Mental                                                               
Health Trust Authority (AMHTA). Ms.  Ryan pointed out that Alaska                                                               
is the only  state where all of these  responsibilities have been                                                               
combined  into  one  council.  The council  is  comprised  of  28                                                               
members  appointed  by the  governor,  60  percent of  which  are                                                               
either  individuals  with  developmental disabilities  or  family                                                               
members of such.   The council does not receive  funding from the                                                               
state,  but  rather directly  from  the  federal government,  the                                                               
AMHTA, and federal grants.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:37:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN explained  that  the council  does  not provide  direct                                                               
services. One of  the areas in which is most  interested is early                                                               
intervention, which has  been shown to be  important to improving                                                               
the  later quality  of  life for  disabled  children and  prevent                                                               
lasting  harm.  The window  of  opportunity  for effective  early                                                               
intervention is  in the first  three years of life.  Studies have                                                               
shown that people who received  early intervention at a young age                                                               
were,  at 40  years  of age,  earning more  money  and were  less                                                               
likely to be  involved in the criminal justice  system than those                                                               
who didn't receive early intervention.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  asked if there  was a hereditary factor  in such                                                               
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that early  intervention also  works with  the                                                               
parents  of  qualified  children   to  teach  them  life  skills.                                                               
Children  with  FAS  certainly  are the  product  of  a  drinking                                                               
mother.  There are certain tests  that can be done to examine the                                                               
parents' genetics.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:40:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  ALLELY added  that  there are  often  unknown reasons  for                                                               
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN said  that it is certain that  earlier intervention with                                                               
the disabled  child is much  less costly than dealing  with later                                                               
consequences.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She  explained that  1-2 percent  of infants  have a  diagnosable                                                               
disabling condition  at birth, like  Down's syndrome  or cerebral                                                               
palsy.  In the  next  few years  additional  problems can  become                                                               
evident.  By  pre-school,   language,  learning,  and  behavioral                                                               
problems  manifest.  By  public  school  age,  10-12  percent  of                                                               
children have some  degree of disability. Some  of those children                                                               
could have  been diagnosed and  treated prior to  entering public                                                               
school.  Available  tools could  be  used  more effectively  with                                                               
additional funding. By the time  a disabled child reaches the age                                                               
of 40, for every $1 invested  in treatment there was a $17 return                                                               
in terms  of avoided costs  or earned  money and property  of the                                                               
individual.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY asked  for an example of  medical and non-medical                                                               
costs associated with treating a disabled child.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY  replied  that physician  and  hospital  visits  were                                                               
different from therapies and education.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON  asked  if  all   of  the  disabled  children  who                                                               
comprised the  10-12 percent  figure quoted  earlier by  Ms. Ryan                                                               
required special accommodation in school.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  replied  that  in  most  cases,  additional  care  was                                                               
necessary.  Children  could  be  enrolled  in  special  education                                                               
classes or have  an individualized education plan,  or they could                                                               
just  need the  teacher or  administrators to  be aware  of their                                                               
disability.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:47:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  asked for clarification  on the number  of special                                                               
education students in the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that there  are  18,000 such  students in  the                                                               
state,  from  ages   3-21.    Some  of  these   children  may  be                                                               
declassified later  on if  they are  properly accommodated  at an                                                               
early age.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN continued  to explain  that  in fiscal  year 2006,  the                                                               
council  served  1,800 children  at  an  average cost  of  $5,500                                                               
apiece.  There are 17  regional grantees that provide services as                                                               
well  as  programs run  through  the  Statewide Consultation  for                                                               
Children  with   Hearing  and  Vision  Disabilities,   an  Infant                                                               
Learning Program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:49:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON asked  for clarification  on the  amount of  money                                                               
spent on the  1,800 children served, and if $5,500  was the total                                                               
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  replied that 1,800  children were served at  an average                                                               
of $5,500 apiece.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON asked if that  amount included all services or just                                                               
the services provided by the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN replied that the latter was correct.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON said  that he was told that each  FAS child cost $1                                                               
million in treatment by the age of 18.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that the  $5,500 figure  represented only  the                                                               
early intervention costs, which  might be effective in preventing                                                               
such later costs.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN said  that to  be  eligible for  an early  intervention                                                               
program,  a child  must  have a  diagnosed  condition leading  to                                                               
significant delays, or a 50 percent  or greater delay in one area                                                               
of development. Children  with a 15-49 percent  delay may receive                                                               
services as  funds allow.   Alaska is more restrictive  than most                                                               
states  in terms  of  services provided.  Services  must also  be                                                               
provided for  children under the age  of three if they  have a 25                                                               
percent delay in at least two areas of development.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:52:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  said that he  didn't understand the  threshold for                                                               
intervention, and  asked for an  explanation of "delays"  and who                                                               
makes the determinations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN replied that a  diagnosis of a condition would generally                                                               
be made by a doctor. Clinical  opinions could qualify a child, or                                                               
a developmental checklist.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY added  that standardized assessment tools  are used to                                                               
determine disability  in different areas  of skill. A  50 percent                                                               
delay, for example,  would refer to a 12-month-old  child who was                                                               
at a 6-month-old's level of development.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:54:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN said  that many  children are  not identified  when the                                                               
intervention  is   most  critical   and  least  costly.   In  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna  School District,  109  children were  eligible                                                               
for preschool special education but  were never enrolled. In some                                                               
cases there was insufficient funding,  and in others the children                                                               
were not recognized as eligible until preschool.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:55:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  asked how the  eligible children are supposed  to be                                                               
identified.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  replied that various child-find  activities take place,                                                               
from health fairs to doctor evaluations and child care programs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY  added  that child-find  activities,  including  free                                                               
basic screening,  often take places  in busy areas  like shopping                                                               
mall. However, if the child is  not severely delayed they may not                                                               
be served due to lack of funds.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:57:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS asked  if there is a variety of  children whose needs                                                               
are not  being met, and what  happens to such children  once they                                                               
are identified.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:57:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  replied that  these children may  be referred  to other                                                               
programs  in  the  community,  but   such  services  may  not  be                                                               
available.   The children  with less  severe disabilities  may be                                                               
those who would benefit the most from early intervention.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN said  that Infant  Learning Program  (ILP) grants  were                                                               
reduced 6  percent in the  2006 fiscal year. An  increased number                                                               
of  children have  been identified  with autism.  The Individuals                                                               
with Disabilities  Education Act (IDEA) was  recently revised and                                                               
now requires screenings and referrals  for children with symptoms                                                               
resulting  from  pre-natal drug  exposure.    A three-site  pilot                                                               
program  has resulted  in  100 referrals  and  screenings, 60  of                                                               
which required  a multi-disciplinary  evaluation and 17  of which                                                               
met  eligibility, and  an additional  3 cases  were eligible  but                                                               
would only be served on an available-funds basis.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:00:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  said that  the council  is working  with the  Office of                                                               
Children's Services  (OCS) on  managing the  ILP. They  are doing                                                               
resource mapping of  state and federal funds, and  are looking at                                                               
possible  partnerships with  different  agencies.   A cost  study                                                               
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will be completed  by June 30  looking  at service delivery costs                                                               
and  other  sources of  funds.    The  council will  compare  its                                                               
findings  with  other  states' and  model  alternative  financing                                                               
systems.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  said  the  council  is looking  at  ways  to  maximize                                                               
Medicaid  funds and  utilize private  insurance to  support early                                                               
intervention. The  council had two recommendations  for improving                                                               
early  intervention:  a $1  million  funding  increment from  the                                                               
AMHTA, which  the trust supported  but which was not  included in                                                               
the governor's budget, and a  legislative task force to study the                                                               
feasibility of billing private health insurance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:04:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  asked for clarification  on the  recommendation from                                                               
the AMHTA.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that  the recommendation  was  for the  yearly                                                               
budget and that the funds were not provided by the AMHTA.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON asked  if federal  government funds  were provided                                                               
for mandated child screenings.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that there  was  a small  increase in  federal                                                               
funds  but it  was insufficient.  A partnership  with the  OCS is                                                               
being explored to help fund the screenings and services.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  said that  one important topic  was autism,  which some                                                               
people  are  calling  an  epidemic.     The  council  convened  a                                                               
committee  on   autism  in  2005   which  created  a   series  of                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY explained  that autism is a  high-profile disorder. It                                                               
is classified as a spectrum  disease, ranging from mild to severe                                                               
and it affects social skills,  communication, play, and behavior.                                                               
Peer  relationships,  spoken  language,   and  gestures  are  all                                                               
affected or non-existent.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She  continued  to  explain  that  autistic  children  are  often                                                               
preoccupied with  certain activities or objects.   Autism affects                                                               
boys  four  times more  often  than  girls,  and while  some  may                                                               
characterize it as  an epidemic, the increased  numbers have much                                                               
to do  with better and  broader diagnosis and a  wider definition                                                               
of  the condition.   Undoubtedly  there are  unidentified factors                                                               
that contribute to rising numbers as well.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:13:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY explained that in  the 1970s the incidence of autistic                                                               
births was  2 to 5  in every 10,000, and  now the incidence  is 1                                                               
per 166.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  asked if the  increase in autism  occurrence could                                                               
be due to improved diagnosis.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY replied  that she thought so, and  that the broadening                                                               
of the definition did heighten the numbers of affected people.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:15:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  asked how long  ago autism was characterized  as a                                                               
disorder.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:16:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY replied  that she  was unsure  when the  disorder was                                                               
determined.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON replied  that he thought it would have  been in the                                                               
last 50 or 60 years, and  asked if Asperger's syndrome was a mild                                                               
form of autism.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY   replied  that  Asperger's  syndrome   was  a  high-                                                               
functioning form of autism.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:17:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY said that out of  10,000 births in Alaska, 60 children                                                               
could be expected to be  autistic. Other autistic children may be                                                               
receiving  special education  services under  a different  label.                                                               
She  said  that  there  have been  many  improvements  in  autism                                                               
services.   Fifteen  years ago  a pediatrician  was recruited  to                                                               
help with  diagnosis in Alaska,  and a parent  navigation program                                                               
was launched to help families navigate the system of services.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She added  that five years  ago a summit was  held by a  group of                                                               
parents of  children with  autism, which  resulted in  a resource                                                               
center.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY explained  how the  council convened  a committee  to                                                               
come up  with suggestions  for improving  services. She  would be                                                               
presenting the top  four priorities. The first  priority would be                                                               
expanding  resource  and  referral  services to  make  the  Early                                                               
Intervention  program well-funded  and  independent. The  program                                                               
will receive $200,000 for 2008 and 2009.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY asked what long-term services AMHTA provides.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  replied that if a  child is eligible, they  may receive                                                               
services  from  the  Division of  Senior  Services,  which  could                                                               
include living in a group home.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:25:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  asked what employment opportunities  there might                                                               
be for adults or teenagers with autism.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:25:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  replied that  an  autistic  person might  receive  job                                                               
training and support.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY  added that AMHTA  funding is not available  for long-                                                               
term support.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:26:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY explained  that the  second priority  would be  doing                                                               
universal  screening for  autism in  children as  young as  16-18                                                               
months, helped by a checklist that can be completed by parents.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:28:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  asked if  autism can be  somewhat cured  or simply                                                               
treated.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY replied  that autism is always present,  but that with                                                               
proper treatment some people function  without support or special                                                               
education. Some  children's autism can even  become unnoticeable.                                                               
Some medications may aid with related behavioral issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:32:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY  said  that  the third  recommendation  would  be  an                                                               
increased capacity  for diagnosis.  This would include  lab work,                                                               
cognitive  testing, hearing  and  eye tests,  and evaluations  of                                                               
motor development.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:34:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  said that the  final recommendation would be  to change                                                               
Medicaid  to   allow  for  time-limited   intensive  intervention                                                               
services.  Such  intervention early  in  the  child's life  would                                                               
allow  for major  improvement over  a lifetime.  School districts                                                               
are  unable to  provide such  a level  of service.  A possibility                                                               
would be a home and community-based waiver.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:36:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  said that evidence-based  interventions show  that half                                                               
of  children  who  receive  such  treatment  go  on  to  function                                                               
normally after 2-3  years of treatment. There is  an average gain                                                               
of 22 IQ points, and one-third of subjects gained 45 IQ points.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON asked if such  services were easier to implement in                                                               
an urban rather than rural environment.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:38:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY  replied that that  was the case, but  early screening                                                               
could be done effectively in a rural setting.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS asked which services  included in the recommendations                                                               
were currently being fulfilled.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY replied  that the  Autism  Resource Center  currently                                                               
provides training  and information to families,  and the services                                                               
are good if inadequate. Developmental  screening is done broadly,                                                               
but not specifically for autism.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  added that she  has been  talking to Health  and Social                                                               
Services  Commissioner  Karleen   Jackson  about  integrating  an                                                               
autism screening tool into current services.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:42:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY said  that a  clinic was  in place  in Anchorage  for                                                               
comprehensive  assessment;  Alaska  currently has  few  intensive                                                               
treatment models.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN gave  an example of one such program  that used to exist                                                               
in Alaska but was discontinued  after the professor who conducted                                                               
it retired.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  asked for clarification  on the suggestion  to amend                                                               
the state Medicaid plan.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:44:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN replied  that  there  were two  options  for doing  so,                                                               
either  using   a  time-limited  waiver  program   for  intensive                                                               
training, or  looking at possible  options and  flexibility under                                                               
the current state Medicaid plan.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:45:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS asked  which organization  or entity  would actually                                                               
present  the recommendations  to the  legislature or  appropriate                                                               
destination to receive proper funding.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:46:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN  replied that it would  be the Department of  Health and                                                               
Social Services.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:46:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALLELY explained  that the average lifetime cost  of a person                                                               
with autism is  $3.2 million, and assuming there  are 60 autistic                                                               
children born  per year, that  equals $192 million.   Three years                                                               
of early intervention  for those children would  cost $10 million                                                               
total, but could save the state $1.6 to $2.8 million per person.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She said that  her council is advocating a  $500,000 increase for                                                               
screening  and diagnosis  funding. There  is  a need  for such  a                                                               
subsidy for the council's clinic to continue operating.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:49:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS asked  for the amount of the  subsidy currently being                                                               
provided by Providence Hospital in Anchorage.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALLELY replied  that the  subsidy was  between $250,000  and                                                               
$350,000 yearly.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS  said that  she didn't see  how the  budgetary issues                                                               
connected to the  Senate Health and Social  Services committee in                                                               
particular.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. RYAN said  that the AMHTA recommendation was  not included in                                                               
the governor's budget, but that all agreed it was needed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DAVIS pointed out that  the budget is not controlled solely                                                               
by  the  governor and  thus  the  recommendation was  technically                                                               
still alive.  She said  that she appreciated the presentation and                                                               
wished she could promise more concrete action.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN offered  to supply  some packets  of information  about                                                               
studies done on autism services.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:51:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON said  that the committee would  be participating in                                                               
the Health caucus  the following week and  invited the presenters                                                               
to join the audience at that meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DAVIS  announced the  next  week's  meeting regarding  the                                                               
longevity bonus,  and, seeing no further  business, adjourned the                                                               
Senate Health,  Education and Social Services  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 2:52:53 PM.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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